Tarzan: The Original Tree Daddy (and His Pointy Chin)

Jasmin and Cherie swing vine-first into Disney’s Tarzan, questioning everything from how his parents built a fully furnished treehouse to whether Kerchak is just a misunderstood dad with anger issues. They debate who the real hero is (spoiler: it’s the mum), whether Clayton’s just a colonial bloke trying to make a quid, and how Phil Collins managed to heal our collective childhood trauma with a drum solo. Expect chaos, jungle ethics, and way too much discussion about cartoon chins.

Transcript

00:31.17
Jasmin
and It's just too catchy. It's too catchy. I can't not do all the sounds. Welcome back, everyone. This is episode five, Moose on the Loose, and we promised you Tarzan.

00:42.93
Jasmin
So that's what's happening today. Cherie's here, back from her holiday.

00:46.17
Cherie
I'm back. I'm sorry for abandoning you all. I don't regret it.

00:52.68
Jasmin
You did abandon us and my skin is only just now sort of slowly returning from the green shade of envy that it went for a while there.

01:01.34
Cherie
I had my kids with me on that holiday.

01:02.76
Jasmin
It's returning to its like, oh,

01:03.46
Cherie
your skin could never have been green. It was horrendous.

01:08.84
Jasmin
well, it's back to its pasty whiteness anyway. I'm not sure which one I preferred in the end.

01:15.23
Cherie
Yes, I did have fun.

01:15.91
Jasmin
Did you have fun?

01:16.61
Cherie
It was fantastic. The theme parks are a rip-off. Never do them. It's insane, but we had a good time.

01:26.90
Jasmin
He had a good time. Okay. That's the main thing. So the first thing that we've been doing, I suppose, we didn't really do it the first episode, but it turned out to be a valuable thing to do is just to give a little summary.

01:41.47
Jasmin
Of the movie for anybody who might not have watched it, which, what do mean, living under a rock? Like this is not just a Disney movie, but it's an urban legend.

01:48.89
Cherie
It always blows my mind when people say they haven't seen, like, just any of the Disney movies.

01:50.14
Jasmin
You know what i mean? So anyway.

01:58.77
Jasmin
like it makes you concerned for their childhood.

02:00.32
Cherie
Yeah, and their adulthood, really. Just, I'm concerned for them in general.

02:05.75
Jasmin
it hasn't

02:07.69
Cherie
No.

02:08.27
Jasmin
They're not formed properly if they haven't had that formative experience.

02:10.02
Cherie
They're missing a part of their brain, Yes.

02:15.75
Jasmin
ah Oh, I don't know. There's other things that can make you miss a part of your brain. I'm like 100% sure that I've seen the Disney movies, but I'm still missing a part of my brain.

02:26.24
Jasmin
So we can't judge them, I suppose.

02:26.91
Cherie
Well, you've got the right parts of your brain. That's the main thing.

02:29.36
Jasmin
Okay, so

02:32.95
Jasmin
I've got the right part.

02:32.98
Cherie
Well, if you know the Disney movies, you've got the the only important part.

02:33.74
Jasmin
I don't know about that. I do not know.

02:38.06
Jasmin
Oh, right. Yes.

02:39.64
Cherie
Yes.

02:40.65
Jasmin
Got that one thing going for me. Yeah, okay. So Tarzan is a guy with a very pointy chin. um He starts off as a baby with his chin not quite as pointy.

02:57.19
Jasmin
His parents are sailing on a boat and I don't know if they're the only ones on the boat and I don't know if mum gives birth on the boat or gives birth on the island. I can't remember exactly when Tarzan comes into the picture, but they their boat shipwrecks and they end up in this jungle and they build a little house and they're like, well, we'll just live here forever.

03:15.72
Jasmin
Like they seem quite content to just live in a tree house forever.

03:16.48
Cherie
Well, built a beautiful treehouse.

03:18.66
Jasmin
They're not trying to build the boat to get back.

03:19.58
Cherie
I don't know where they got the supplies to make what they made, but it was phenomenal.

03:22.00
Jasmin
It was –

03:26.01
Cherie
It did.

03:26.75
Jasmin
it had all the mod cons.

03:27.01
Cherie
It had window panes.

03:28.28
Jasmin
Like there was nothing wrong with it.

03:30.32
Cherie
Where did they get the glass?

03:30.98
Jasmin
It had winter things.

03:37.34
Jasmin
And then they had this had this baby, but were there survivors? Was there dead bodies from the ship? I imagine it takes more than a husband and wife to drive a ship, to sail a ship?

03:48.66
Jasmin
Sail a ship.

03:51.28
Jasmin
Where are the people? And there's this sort of theory that these people were Elsa and Anna's parents from Frozen that

03:58.08
Cherie
Oh, I've heard that.

04:01.55
Jasmin
And that Tarzan's little brother. i I highly doubt that's true. Here's a list of reasons why. One, in Frozen 2 you saw the shipwrecked boat and it wasn't in the jungle. It was in, what's that place called in Frozen 2?

04:14.97
Cherie
Oh, my God.

04:15.42
Jasmin
It's like Ate Aroa or something.

04:16.53
Cherie
to My brain's gone blank.

04:18.93
Jasmin
What's it called?

04:20.10
Cherie
I know this.

04:21.93
Jasmin
i know, so is mine.

04:22.29
Cherie
What is going on?

04:23.20
Jasmin
I can't believe this.

04:24.95
Cherie
it starts with an A.

04:26.10
Jasmin
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

04:28.19
Cherie
We should go to prison.

04:28.77
Jasmin
where We should be embarrassed. We should be ashamed.

04:31.84
Cherie
Oh my God. Arendelle.

04:37.02
Jasmin
Oh, no, the no, no. The place they live is Arendelle but the boat shipwrecks in the magic place.

04:42.11
Cherie
Oh no, that's too deep for me. I don't think we're supposed to know that.

04:46.71
Jasmin
No, you know, the mum sings a song about it. They're journeying there to try and remove Elsa's powers from her.

04:52.31
Cherie
Oh, in the second movie.

04:53.67
Jasmin
They go into the source of the powers.

04:55.38
Cherie
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the name of the place.

04:56.21
Jasmin
In the second movie.

04:58.88
Cherie
but it's a magic place.

05:01.00
Jasmin
Oh, I'm so um'm disappointed with myself. All right, so ah she, I did just wake up from a two-hour nap. Maybe the names of Frozen 2 things comes back online after I've been awake for a certain amount of time. I don't know.

05:14.31
Jasmin
didn't know that about myself. So i don't think it is because that wasn't a jungle that they shipwrecked on. And also their children, their daughters were grown up as if you would go, oh, my kids are adults, let's have another baby.

05:26.35
Cherie
Oh, I don't know. I know people who have done that.

05:27.47
Jasmin
not you're free.

05:29.06
Cherie
People are crazy.

05:31.59
Jasmin
oh

05:32.18
Cherie
Yeah.

05:32.25
Jasmin
oh wow they must have yeah they must have forgotten what it's like to be not able to do anything fun because you've got to be changing nappies and doing nap schedules and I can't even remember what it's like to a baby so they have this little baby and a leopard kills both the parents but the mum or dad I suppose in a

05:33.23
Cherie
I couldn't imagine.

05:59.96
Jasmin
highly sadistic move puts the baby in a like bed chest so that the leopard won't eat him. Now, arguably, is he not just going to die a slow, wasting, starving death, which would be more horrible than being eaten by a leopard?

06:16.23
Cherie
Well, maybe she didn't anticipate dying. She thought she was going to win the battle and she was going to come back and get him.

06:23.77
Jasmin
ah Put the baby in there, go win the battle, come back and get the baby.

06:25.97
Cherie
Yeah. Just a quick cheetah beating and then back to it.

06:28.07
Jasmin
Yeah, I see that. I see that.

06:31.13
Cherie
This is parenthood.

06:32.30
Jasmin
Well, she's a bit of a risk.

06:37.85
Jasmin
Oh, my God, that is so much like my days with the parenthood. Oh, my God. And then the baby's crying. And, oh, you know what? I reckon the mum's put the baby in there because she's like, okay, the only thing that's going to be able to raise this baby except for me is going to be something with thumbs.

06:55.30
Jasmin
So I've got to secure it behind something that you need thumbs to open. If someone has thumbs, they can get the baby and look after it. And of course, this monkey comes along and it's got thumbs.

07:05.17
Jasmin
That was the box.

07:05.27
Cherie
They're not great films, but they're thumbier enough.

07:07.55
Jasmin
And the baby, good enough. Yeah, she gets the baby out. She smells his nappy. He's obviously done a poo. God, he would have had the most horrendous nappy rash laying there in his own poo for that long. I always feel really bad for him. Like he must be in a lot of pain, though it's cartoon.

07:27.22
Jasmin
And then the leopard attacks them, but the mummy manages to get away with her baby. Oh, and her baby...

07:35.52
Cherie
Do

07:35.67
Jasmin
was also killed by the leopard. So she's like, it's meant to be, it's fate that we've now, ah that he's got a mum and I've got a baby. But her husband, Kerchak, the silverback gorilla, doesn't really accept him, but he lets Carla the monkey keep him.

07:54.01
Jasmin
And then he has to spend his whole life growing up proving that he can be a gorilla, which he can't be because he's a human.

07:58.29
Cherie
you know what always my mind?

08:00.57
Jasmin
Is that it?

08:01.38
Cherie
is the fact that we go through this tragedy in the first few minutes of the movie. There's there's so much just devastation. People have lost, the gorilla lost her baby, Tarzan lost his parents, and then in comes Phil Collins and makes it all better. It's wonderful.

08:21.35
Cherie
It's wonderful.

08:21.62
Jasmin
He was very soothing. Heals your little heart. Yeah. I used to sing one of those songs to my son at bedtime and I always thought that because I was singing him the same song every night that he would come to like find the song calming.

08:37.33
Jasmin
But I'm sure he eventually reached an age where he was like, stop it. I don't want to hear it anymore. i was like, oh. Phil Collins and I were trying to say we need you to sleep. Yeah.

08:49.06
Jasmin
So that's it. they Oh, no, that's not it. Then ah a scientific expedition comes along, a father and his adult daughter and their protective detail, a guy named Clayton who's there to protect them, and they're there to study the gorillas.

09:09.72
Jasmin
And then this is where the spoiler alerts really come in. So if you haven't seen it, turn this off now. ah the The guy who's protecting them turns out to be nothing but a big fat gorilla poaching man.

09:24.41
Cherie
but but

09:24.90
Jasmin
And he captures Tarzan and his gorilla family.

09:30.16
Cherie
Like, I don't think you could have described him any better.

09:35.59
Cherie
Yeah, yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up.

09:35.90
Jasmin
A big fat gorilla poaching man.

09:41.28
Jasmin
Yeah, his chin is slightly squarer than Tarzan's. I don't know why I'm so interested in all the cartoon chins as their defining features. And then, you know, he betrays the scientific expedition people, ah but it's okay, the animals fight back. And then Clayton, he dies.

10:00.64
Jasmin
He hangs himself by accident.

10:00.91
Cherie
I don't know if they would get away with that these days. It was pretty graphic.

10:05.97
Jasmin
Yeah, I know, right? Yeah, i was it was very clear what was happening, that he hung himself and died.

10:08.63
Cherie
you know

10:12.21
Jasmin
But Tarzan did try to save him, true to being the hero that he supposedly is. Now, character debate. we think that Tarzan is the true hero of this movie or do we think Carla, the gorilla mum, is the actual MVP?

10:27.16
Cherie
Well, I mean, we've got to throw a bone to all the mums out there because we know the mums are the real MVP.

10:27.47
Jasmin
Yeah.

10:34.39
Cherie
We know this first hand.

10:36.91
Jasmin
Yeah, 100%. This was really just a, what's ah what's a question? A rhetorical question. I'm fully aware that Carla's the hero of this story.

10:48.66
Jasmin
the only one trying to do anything good for anyone. Tarzan literally is running around making that sound. Everyone knows the sound.

10:55.03
Cherie
Make the sound.

10:55.05
Jasmin
Don't make me make it. The sound, the loud, horrible yodelling sound.

10:57.27
Cherie
I thought you were talking about the elephant noise that he makes.

11:00.41
Jasmin
Oh.

11:02.54
Cherie
Of course.

11:04.96
Jasmin
No.

11:06.91
Cherie
Yeah, no, know.

11:07.05
Jasmin
the yeah

11:07.71
Cherie
I know.

11:07.82
Jasmin
The thing. Yeah.

11:08.80
Cherie
But you should still make the sound, though. That

11:12.46
Jasmin
now

11:13.76
Cherie
was horrendous.

11:14.41
Jasmin
That's all I

11:17.15
Jasmin
Everyone just turn their radios down because of you.

11:20.11
Cherie
LAUGHTER

11:21.64
Jasmin
Radios.

11:21.81
Cherie
ah question

11:22.08
Jasmin
I'm so old I still call them radios. Yeah.

11:24.91
Cherie
Funny.

11:28.24
Jasmin
Okay, good. Well, we've decided Carla's the true um hero, but who is the true villain? So Clayton, actual villain or misunderstood hunter?

11:40.01
Jasmin
Just trying to make a living.

11:40.42
Cherie
Says the vegetarian. I think we know which side you're going to be on.

11:47.77
Jasmin
Yeah, I mean, he wasn't going to eat the monkeys, I don't think. I think he was just going to use their skin as a pelt and sell the birds.

11:52.46
Cherie
So you'd won't eat meat but you would snuggle down with a pelt.

11:59.84
Cherie
You're like this is fine. Slay the skin from the monkey's back and I will use it as a covering.

12:08.31
Jasmin
I mean, no, I wouldn't for like mass like selling stuff.

12:11.18
Cherie
Oh yeah.

12:11.67
Jasmin
I think tribal people could probably do that.

12:12.65
Cherie
That's funny.

12:14.65
Jasmin
These are all the products they have at their disposal, those things from nature.

12:16.97
Cherie
Maybe he was trying to start a new tribe.

12:18.45
Jasmin
But Clayton, he was from Britain. he was from Great Britain.

12:23.87
Cherie
sure

12:24.08
Jasmin
Yeah.

12:26.69
Jasmin
I can't imagine that. Oh, yeah, I think he was just trying to get paid. But culturally, that would have been quite accepted back then to hunt and kill things for sport and sell them.

12:40.15
Jasmin
I think that, like, if it hadn't have been a scientific expedition, like, why didn't he just go on a hunting expedition? Why did he tag along a scientific one and then have to, was he going to, like, kill the people to keep them quiet?

12:50.53
Cherie
I have a theory.

12:52.10
Jasmin
Yeah.

12:52.33
Cherie
that it would have been too expensive to launch his own expedition. So he just tagged himself on to theirs and he was being paid to go with them as their, you know, their protector.

13:05.63
Cherie
That being said, he did bring a whole cargo ship full of men and cages and things. Yeah. So that doesn't really pan out.

13:13.22
Jasmin
Yeah, like right at the end these dudes appeared with their machetes and stuff.

13:17.34
Cherie
I think he just wanted to be the bad guy in someone else's story.

13:24.50
Jasmin
I think there's there's going to be no way for us to spin Clayton as being a hero, but is he evil? Is he a proper villain or is he just like a misunderstood like dude from his cultural background trying to get by?

13:36.47
Cherie
I think the fact that he joined their expedition lends a hint of, you know, a hint of the evil side to it.

13:50.09
Cherie
Yeah, there's the betrayal.

13:51.10
Jasmin
but because the betrayal and the lying.

13:51.45
Cherie
He knows that they don't want to harm the gorillas. And he goes anyway. I think if he...

13:58.04
Jasmin
Yeah, right.

13:58.69
Cherie
Like, and there's no other reason for him to have done that. My mind is, like, just trying to think of anything. No, I think he's evil.

14:09.96
Jasmin
Yeah, like he was at first he's like shooting at things that are moving and stuff, but he was actually hired to protect them. The jungle is a pretty dangerous place. But, yeah, all the lying and betrayal stuff at the end and trying to kill Tarzan, who he can obviously see as a human.

14:25.06
Cherie
know.

14:25.95
Jasmin
and

14:26.71
Cherie
He also does call Tarzan a savage.

14:27.78
Jasmin
Can't do that.

14:33.29
Jasmin
Well, again, possibly culturally appropriate for Great Britain of that time, now that I'm defending him.

14:35.24
Cherie
like

14:39.13
Jasmin
but yeah ah But, yes, all right. No, villain, villain. It's really hard to come by a villain swap here. We didn't last week. Oh, we did last week. Matt and I determined that Sid was just a misunderstood kid.

14:51.34
Jasmin
And actually, Matt said during that podcast ah who, you know, I wonder what Sid turns out to be now that he's the toys have traumatised him and everything. And Sheree comes along with a fun fact.

15:01.94
Cherie
you You let me down.

15:03.74
Jasmin
Do you want to repeat what you were telling me?

15:04.70
Cherie
i can't believe you didn't know this, that Sid is garbage man ean Toy Story 3, the one who's going along with his Walkman and he's, like, dancing around and having great time and and, yeah, he's the garbage man.

15:20.31
Jasmin
Yeah.

15:22.98
Cherie
can tell because he's green shirt on.

15:24.27
Jasmin
think sounds all right. it's functional, working a job, dancing around and stuff. Yeah, but no, I did not know that. Turns out I don't know that or the name of that place from Frozen 2.

15:32.71
Cherie
yeah

15:36.30
Jasmin
and i all I can keep on thinking is Ate Aroa, which it is not that.

15:38.01
Cherie
It's definitely not that.

15:42.05
Jasmin
It's not that. Okay, my friend, we're going Moose Marri-Avoid.

15:44.78
Cherie
I'm ready.

15:46.27
Jasmin
You ready? Let's do it.

15:57.90
Jasmin
that did not want to play. I was like, play. And it was like, make me. was like, ah that's what I'm trying to do.

16:02.75
Cherie
so

16:03.88
Jasmin
I'm trying to make you. And I pressed the button again.

16:08.29
Jasmin
Okay. Moose Mary Avoid, three characters, Tarzan, Jane, Clayton.

16:13.83
Cherie
a Right. I'm going to have to give this one some thought.

16:25.50
Jasmin
just I just moose Tarzan, marry Jane and avoid Clayton. Are you confused between which which one you would moose, Tarzan or Clayton?

16:35.48
Cherie
Well, I mean, Tarzan's got the whole savage wild beast thing going for him.

16:46.14
Cherie
Yeah, that's the other side of it.

16:46.53
Jasmin
It's probably pretty dirty.

16:48.76
Cherie
don't know if I would really want him to touch me

16:53.53
Cherie
in whatever fashion moosing, you know, involves that. Clayton has those big arms, you know?

17:05.88
Jasmin
Yeah, but his face.

17:07.25
Cherie
paper bag job mate well I think I'd rather the paper bag than st dirty jungle mitts

17:07.56
Jasmin
It's like someone hit him in the face with a shovel. a Ah, you'd be happy to just put a paper bag over it. Okay. All right.

17:24.24
Jasmin
Mitz, I was thinking of Smegma.

17:26.13
Cherie
I didn't even think of that snake mom I think we can just we can all just disband and join other families

17:30.44
Jasmin
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.

17:38.89
Jasmin
I can't think of the name of the thing on Frozen, but I can think of the word smegma. That's not a good sign. Okay, can I give you another one?

17:48.42
Cherie
Please.

17:50.94
Jasmin
ah Tantor, ah

17:55.47
Cherie
Like the professor.

17:55.65
Jasmin
the dad, yeah, the professor, and Kerchek.

17:59.06
Cherie
and love the professor. Marry the professor. Marry the professor. Moose Kerchek. Avoid tent office.

18:08.49
Cherie
He's too animalist.

18:08.56
Jasmin
Oh, avoid Tantor. Is he too annoying?

18:10.00
Cherie
He's an animal. At least a gorilla sort of looks a bit like a human.

18:17.16
Jasmin
There was also a human there to choose from.

18:17.64
Cherie
I have to marry him? I just love the professor so much. He's my favourite.

18:26.49
Jasmin
It's so funny how quickly we can just like easily say that we just do it with an animal.

18:29.11
Cherie
but

18:31.16
Jasmin
Like it's so easy every single time.

18:31.17
Cherie
It's ingrained in us because of Kovu from The Lion King 2.

18:33.19
Jasmin
yeah, I do with animal.

18:37.02
Cherie
Disney did that to us.

18:38.73
Jasmin
ah You and Kovu again.

18:42.91
Jasmin
Well, from my understanding, you've got two mooses and a lie waiting for me.

18:46.07
Cherie
I do. i have two mooses and a lie.

18:47.47
Jasmin
Is that right?

18:50.73
Jasmin
All right. I want to hear them.

18:53.81
Cherie
Okay. Two mooses and a lie. So the Tarzan Yell, which is what you were referring to earlier on, is trademarked by Edgar Rice Burroughs Inc.

19:06.72
Cherie
That's the first one. Now, number two, Tarzan has appeared in over 200 films and TV adaptations worldwide. And number three, the name Tarzan means white ape in Swahili.

19:27.00
Jasmin
Oh, it's too bad.

19:27.50
Cherie
Okay.

19:37.92
Jasmin
I think I've heard that white ape thing. I can't. I used to try and learn Swahili and Tarzan does not sound like a very Swahili word.

19:42.03
Cherie
I do

19:45.83
Cherie
i feel remember you going through that phase.

19:46.30
Jasmin
Yeah,

19:50.83
Jasmin
ya yeah. I still remember how to say child and children.

19:54.13
Cherie
but

19:57.05
Jasmin
Not much else. Yeah.

20:01.45
Jasmin
ah The second one seems like, yeah, could it 200 worldwide? Yeah. Why not? It's ah it's a legend. it's probably more than that. I don't know. First one, I've never heard of that. Let's say the first one's a lie.

20:09.75
Cherie
but brown You should have trusted your instincts on that one. is not a Swahili word.

20:16.27
Jasmin
It's not a Swahili word, is it?

20:17.61
Cherie
It was made up by the author.

20:18.34
Jasmin
You're

20:22.47
Cherie
but

20:22.49
Jasmin
so good at this. You're so good at this.

20:26.22
Cherie
i think I get you every week.

20:28.10
Jasmin
That's amazing. You do get me every week. Now it's going to be like a point of pride to never, ever let me win.

20:34.74
Cherie
Oh, I'm really nice though. Probably next week I'll be like, oh. I'll give you this one. Not having it.

20:42.60
Jasmin
I want to win fair and square. Don't do that.

20:46.56
Jasmin
Hang on. Okay, well, I thought we might we' do a little ethical dilemma before we wrap up. So...

20:58.28
Jasmin
These do not want to play. They're like, nah, not today, my friend.

21:00.32
Cherie
not having

21:03.79
Jasmin
They're not having it. They're just not having it. Okay, if you were Jane, would you leave civilization to live in jungle with Tarzan or would you try and get him to come and live in England?

21:16.18
Cherie
Well, i mean, Jane has quite an adventurous spirit, but I will never, I don't ever want to be too far away from the next cup of coffee.

21:28.83
Cherie
So me personally, i just don't think I could do it.

21:31.21
Jasmin
Yeah.

21:36.36
Jasmin
It's not practical to live in the jungle.

21:37.47
Cherie
Hot and sweaty.

21:38.12
Jasmin
You're going to get dysentery or what did you say?

21:39.06
Cherie
Well, yeah, that too. Yes. Yes. yes

21:43.25
Jasmin
Did you say hot and sweaty? Hot and sweaty in the jungle? You're not worried about microbes and unclean water?

21:49.27
Cherie
Being overheated is my worst nightmare. I don't like it.

21:56.57
Jasmin
Couldn't you be overheated in England with those big dresses they had to wear?

21:58.33
Cherie
Yeah, it was nice and cold there most of the time.

22:02.90
Jasmin
Oh, it is pretty cold in England. Yeah, I think, you know, they had chamber pots in England, so that's no better than the jungle. It's not like there was flushable toilets.

22:11.59
Cherie
Yes.

22:13.15
Jasmin
If it was today and we're talking about trading flushable toilets for the jungle, no, no, no, no.

22:17.65
Cherie
Wait, they haven't air conditioned to the jungle yet, have they?

22:22.33
Cherie
Okay, then still no.

22:23.57
Jasmin
No.

22:26.63
Jasmin
and wonder if there's a different jungle that's less jungly in its climate. Maybe you could go live there.

22:32.18
Cherie
They actually did send Tarzan to London.

22:33.79
Jasmin
ah

22:34.46
Cherie
There was a second movie, but I don't think that he fit in very well and I think they chose to go back to the jungle.

22:34.57
Jasmin
yeah

22:41.86
Cherie
I'm pretty sure. from I think so.

22:44.59
Jasmin
Is that what they chose in the

22:46.98
Cherie
He just didn't... London didn't suit him.

22:48.49
Jasmin
end?

22:51.19
Cherie
Can't imagine why.

22:52.76
Jasmin
Yeah. Yeah.

22:55.75
Cherie
yes.

22:55.83
Jasmin
Because he was a bit of an exhibition, wasn't he?

23:00.98
Jasmin
And so Jane, yeah, would I? I think I would. I think I'd have to get him to come with me back to England, though. Bugs.

23:08.87
Cherie
Oh, yeah, I don't have time for bugs.

23:09.04
Jasmin
Bugs, that's why. Bugs.

23:12.07
Cherie
Although, back in England...

23:14.02
Jasmin
don't like bugs.

23:16.28
Cherie
You probably would have to, i mean, in that time frame, you'd probably be made to marry someone and then clean their house for the rest of your life. And as we've well established, I have to bring this up every time. I don't like housework.

23:31.67
Cherie
So there's that. You don't have to do housework in the jungle.

23:38.29
Jasmin
Okay, so bugs or housework is what it's come down to.

23:39.38
Cherie
I think I'd still stay in London.

23:40.95
Jasmin
Yeah, some of the bugs are spiders.

23:44.34
Cherie
Oh, yeah, that's true. I would be scared of, you know, and and it's so impractical, but do you remember that big spider from Hugo the Amazon rainforest and it comes down and bites Penelope?

24:02.76
Jasmin
Oh, my God. Oh, my God, I'd block that out of my memory because it's so traumatic.

24:06.34
Cherie
Traumatic. And I would be really scared that that specific spider is just around every corner.

24:16.75
Jasmin
So listeners might not know what Hugo is.

24:17.94
Cherie
a

24:20.49
Jasmin
There's an old computer game that was like text-based, like you'd have to write in what you wanted the character to do and you had to get it exactly right or it wouldn't do anything.

24:31.59
Jasmin
And so it was like walk towards the door, pick up the plant pot, drop the plant pot, get the key out of it, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I actually got Matt to play it the other day.

24:40.60
Cherie
No way! What a blue button!

24:42.78
Jasmin
And it was so funny. Yeah, I got him to play the Hugo's House of Horrors one.

24:45.70
Cherie
Ah! Pick up something!

24:49.17
Jasmin
me he goes in, yeah, smash the pumpkin. And he goes in there and he gets a steak and And he throws it and it goes, the steak is gone forever.

25:02.47
Cherie
today?

25:04.20
Jasmin
And that's it. you can't like You can't get it back. You can't pick it up. It just goes, the steak is gone forever.

25:12.58
Cherie
did my house

25:13.53
Jasmin
You can't get another one.

25:13.59
Cherie
right We had $36 worth of steak in the fridge and and my daughter threw it out when she cleaned the fridge. She was being very kind and she did a job for me and she cleaned the fridge out.

25:22.98
Jasmin
Why?

25:27.13
Cherie
And I just found out this morning that she threw all the steak out because she thought it was bad. No, it wasn't bad.

25:34.39
Jasmin
Was it bad?

25:36.59
Cherie
it was we bought it like two days ago.

25:36.76
Jasmin
ah no Oh, Do you know that I heard that one cow feeds a thousand people?

25:45.60
Cherie
That's a really generous cow. Chocolate or caramel?

25:51.13
Jasmin
Everyone comes up to the cow like, have you got any cereal or left?

25:53.46
Cherie
I knew what you meant.

25:53.77
Jasmin
Oh, yes, I'll pour you another bowl of cereal.

25:55.04
Cherie
He's just got cocoa pops.

25:55.77
Jasmin
No worries. But it's about thousand people. Yeah, the milk. Why I say that the cow's giving us cereal instead of giving us milk? It's like this little kitchen.

26:05.93
Cherie
i mean what you meant

26:10.52
Cherie
this just felt kind critical

26:12.65
Jasmin
It's funny.

26:14.17
Cherie
He's got a whole pantry.

26:18.36
Jasmin
And then you can be like, um is there any milk to go with this? And it's like, ah no, but you know it's lying because it literally is a milk factory. Yeah.

26:28.42
Cherie
to

26:30.92
Cherie
yeah

26:32.62
Jasmin
ah Fucking stupid lying cow. Give me some fucking milk on my Coco Pops.

26:41.03
Jasmin
Yeah, they've been a thousand people. Yeah, I think, it might again, it might have been Matt that told me that. Sometimes he says things and he says them like they're facts, but they're not facts. So now I don't know in my world what's real and what's not.

26:51.60
Cherie
but

26:53.48
Jasmin
i don um It's like when my older brother, our older brother, told me as a little child that a spitfire

26:57.67
Cherie
Oh, he told me the same thing or it might have been you actually. i think you not and Well, do you know what? It came up in conversation when I was about 15.

27:04.59
Jasmin
I thought it was true.

27:06.90
Cherie
Yes, did

27:09.97
Jasmin
too.

27:12.12
Cherie
the same thing.

27:12.17
Jasmin
And I told it to someone. I was 16 going, you know, a Spitfire can, could get ba can spit fire in your eye from about a metre away.

27:13.90
Cherie
Oh.

27:20.03
Cherie
oh

27:22.19
Jasmin
They're very dangerous.

27:22.29
Cherie
I mean, what's quite an inventive thing for him to come up with, I suppose.

27:31.28
Jasmin
so yeah It's a lie though, a big lie.

27:31.31
Cherie
Big lie.

27:36.42
Jasmin
Yeah, I can't believe it. But i as I was saying it when I was 16, I was like, wait.

27:38.74
Cherie
but

27:40.72
Jasmin
ah So I think I was saying it to my boyfriend at the time and this is just a rule I think for parents with whose kids are starting to date and things. If they don't know that a spitfire wouldn't spitfire in your eye, they're not ready to have a boyfriend.

27:57.11
Jasmin
Those two things just clearly that child's not at the right stage of development.

27:57.95
Cherie
You know I don't think my kids know what a spitfire is.

28:04.48
Jasmin
Yeah, well, we don't play with bugs like we used to, do we?

28:05.10
Cherie
No. Mostly because we chose not to stay in the jungle.

28:09.18
Jasmin
was just telling – oh, exactly right. exactly We basically did live in in the jungle as children.

28:15.89
Cherie
Yeah you're not wrong.

28:16.84
Jasmin
All I did was play with bugs. I was telling Matt's kids about how I dug some snails out of their shells to feed to my ducks and mum thought I was a psychopath, like torturing insects for fun.

28:24.78
Cherie
not wrong you are a psychopath.

28:27.19
Jasmin
And I was like – I being a zookeeper. was like helping. I was like feeding animals.

28:31.71
Cherie
but Tell that to the snails.

28:37.04
Jasmin
See, this is the real hero villain debate. Was I being a psychopath or was I? And I also put a ah caterpillar in a can and thought, well, keep this as a pet and put some leaves in there, but then forgot about it for a month.

28:48.58
Cherie
I'm sure it just climbed out the top.

28:50.88
Jasmin
um

28:54.22
Jasmin
No, no, it had a lid on it.

28:54.26
Cherie
Well, you're smarter than me.

28:55.34
Jasmin
It was trapped.

28:55.51
Cherie
I decided to keep a snail as a pet and I just put it on a little plate because I thought,

28:56.07
Jasmin
It was just...

29:01.04
Cherie
I'm not going to move fast enough to get away before the morning and I'll come back and I'll just put it back on the plate.

29:08.16
Cherie
It was gone.

29:08.96
Jasmin
Where was it in the morning? it's like snail races. Like who can move faster, you me asleep or you, the snail?

29:14.22
Cherie
Yeah, this was well, the snail won.

29:15.79
Jasmin
Like who's going to get there first? The snail once. So it's like inside somewhere?

29:20.08
Cherie
Who knows? No, I think it was outside the front door.

29:24.96
Jasmin
Okay, and I also trapped some moths. I used to sneak up on these little white moths that were sitting on flowers and just grab them by their wings and then I put them all under this clear plastic bowl so I could watch them flutter around.

29:35.02
Cherie
Oh, right.

29:37.60
Jasmin
Also forgot about them and they cooked in the sun and got eaten by ants.

29:38.40
Cherie
So I think we've settled the Are You A Psychopath debate.

29:44.92
Jasmin
Mum honestly thought that I was a psychopath but I just didn't understand that you shouldn't do these things and that bad things can happen. If anything, mum's the villain.

29:55.23
Cherie
Hey, hey, hey, be cool.

29:55.74
Jasmin
Where's my supervision, mum?

29:56.43
Cherie
Be cool. She listens to this, man.

29:57.64
Jasmin
Come and check on me once in a while.

30:00.07
Cherie
but just

30:01.39
Jasmin
She checks on me but only when the damage is well and truly done. Like how long was I left alone with those butterflies? Anyway, all right, well, okay, so we've determined that Clayton is a villain, I'm also a villain, Tarzan's a hero, I think that's everything.

30:16.56
Cherie
Oh, we didn't really talk enough about Kerchak. Hang on a second. Let's just add in. Kerchak's a good guy, but he's a shitty dad.

30:22.41
Jasmin
Okay.

30:26.77
Jasmin
Okay. So i think men play a different role in children's lives than women do. And I think society kind of wants men to tone down that ah aggressive animalistic side of themselves that gives out consequences.

30:40.41
Jasmin
Like, you know, like imagine like a lion knocking a cub over the head, like telling it to behave.

30:42.71
Cherie
Yeah.

30:45.92
Jasmin
You know what i mean? um And I don't know, I don't know if it helps children to have like a ah healthy, like strong presence in their life of someone that you've got to live up to.

31:00.03
Jasmin
I'm not sure it's the worst thing. Like a Tarzan did strive to be better because of all the attacks on his self-esteem, didn't he?

31:05.36
Cherie
He did, but I'm sure he felt some type of way about it. I'm sure it made him very sad.

31:13.79
Jasmin
He can feel feelings. I'm not saying he can never feel his feelings, but I'm just saying it made him better.

31:16.12
Cherie
It's like, yeah, you can feel really sad all you like about the horrendous way that I'm treating you and keeping you as an outsider.

31:24.40
Jasmin
Yeah, like if Kerchak had have been like, we fully accept you how you are, you never have to, you know, do anything to prove that we love you, maybe he would have never learned to climb trees or surf on vines.

31:36.78
Jasmin
Like he seemed to be surfing a lot in the movie along the along everything.

31:37.62
Cherie
Well, wasn't like that with the other gorilla babies.

31:40.09
Jasmin
Yeah.

31:40.49
Cherie
He was quite, like, sensitive to the other gorilla babies.

31:46.66
Jasmin
They didn't need the tough love. They could climb.

31:49.75
Cherie
You what you're saying is we should keep them while they're down.

31:51.56
Jasmin
Why do I think that this all led to him being able to climb?

31:53.39
Cherie
them, boys.

31:59.69
Cherie
sure

32:02.81
Jasmin
I'm not sure. I'm not sure. And in the end, he made him the leader of the whole family.

32:06.34
Cherie
Yeah, he obviously recognised that, you know,

32:08.46
Jasmin
He's like, our family will look to you now. He's like, you have learned to climb appropriately.

32:13.10
Cherie
your thumbs are the most opposable in the whole group.

32:15.01
Jasmin
you can be.

32:20.59
Cherie
All right. There you go.

32:22.04
Jasmin
Yeah. Does it make you happy?

32:25.12
Cherie
Yeah, I'm good.

32:25.58
Jasmin
You're all good with the

32:25.80
Cherie
I feel like we we talked about him now. It's been covered.

32:32.81
Jasmin
Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm not sure what movie we're going to do next week, so you all just have to live in in suspense because I know that you're getting through your week like, oh, my God, I can't wait to see what they do next on their next podcast.

32:48.22
Jasmin
Yeah. I imagine that's how everyone talks about our podcast.

32:49.27
Cherie
That's how we talk.

32:53.63
Jasmin
Yeah, well, we talk like that. Why wouldn't everybody else talk? It's exciting to find out which one it's going be. have to have a think about it, um but I'll just, I'll give you my pre-thought. Possibly Monsters, Inc.

33:02.81
Cherie
woo o ah do like monster zinc

33:06.58
Jasmin
You're into that?

33:09.81
Jasmin
I also do like Monsters, Inc. and I think it could be interesting.

33:11.05
Cherie
there you go ruined the suspense

33:13.36
Jasmin
I said it was interesting. Yeah.

33:17.83
Jasmin
Well, maybe I'll, yeah, throw a curveball and do something like Beauty and the Beast or something.

33:21.37
Cherie
just throw a curve ball

33:22.48
Jasmin
Just like, yeah, you know

33:23.15
Cherie
you were all fifteening lu to zinc you get nothing but

33:29.29
Jasmin
Yeah, nothing. Or do monster Monsters University or something.

33:31.58
Cherie
I'll just be

33:33.20
Jasmin
Like, why would you do that? Yeah.

33:38.96
Jasmin
All right, well, fabulous. Thanks again for joining me. I didn't have an occasion to play a moose sound today, which was a bit disappointing. And I also tried to make a moose like blooper sound like for when we got things wrong. But ChatGPT gave me like, it's like here's a moose sound and it was three bells chiming.

33:53.68
Jasmin
And I was like, I don't think you know what a moose is, ChatGPT. And then it was sort of too much time going into it. So no moose sounds for us today.

34:01.59
Cherie
Bye.

34:03.94
Jasmin
um But that's everything. I'll catch you next time. Bye.

34:16.69
Cherie
sorry

34:17.22
Jasmin
It's every time.