We Learned History from Outlander (Sorry)

This week, we unpack Pocahontas — a film where the leaves do more acting than the humans and the wind has more character development than John Smith. Jasmin retells the plot with absolute confidence and absolutely no accuracy, Cherie confesses her ongoing obsession with Kovu, and together they try (and fail) to avoid accidentally endorsing bestiality when the games force them to choose between animals and colonisers.

We revisit the 90s through the lens of our mum’s parenting style, which included giving small children porcelain collectibles, forgetting fly screens exist, letting us wander into the forest unsupervised, and hoping we wouldn’t fall out windows. Spoiler: we nearly did.

You’ll also hear our ethically questionable AITA of the week involving almond milk, digestive consequences, and a roommate named “R” (for reasons that quickly become clear). Plus: deep philosophical discussions about scurvy, whether Disney characters ever eat or poop, and why emotional epiphanies require dramatic wind.

By the end, we determine the real villain of Pocahontas is racism — closely followed by the wind.

Transcript

00:28.92
Cherie
Hello, welcome to Moose on the Loose, the podcast where paint with all the colours of the wings, sing with all the colours of the wings.

00:39.74
Cherie
not sure where you were going to go in that pause.

00:44.41
Cherie
I just remembered at the last second that I said my sign-on would be my favourite quote from the movies and I was like, I know if I remember a quote. If I was going to say my favourite quote from it now that i think it, it would probably be, savages, savages, barely even human.

01:00.34
Cherie
a quote that has not aged well.

01:04.95
Cherie
Yes, you could say that.

01:07.48
Cherie
ah And I can't, is she painting with the colours of the wind or singing with all the colours of the wind? What is she doing?

01:13.31
Cherie
She was painting with the colours of the wind. I mean, that savages comment, was that, had that, like, was that okay in the 90s?

01:15.48
Cherie
I didn't see her paint even once.

01:23.45
Cherie
Painting with all the colours of the wind. Is that a racist thing?

01:25.34
Cherie
No, the savages comment.

01:27.61
Cherie
Oh, yeah.

01:28.89
Cherie
You said it hasn't aged well, but I'm thinking about it now, and I don't think even back then it was a poor thing.

01:34.78
Cherie
Maybe they were like, it's fine because it's set back then.

01:38.52
Cherie
yeah

01:38.74
Cherie
This is the 90s but it's set in, when was Pocahontas alive?

01:44.21
Cherie
Oh, you know, the seventeen hundreds

01:48.67
Cherie
Okay, 1596.

01:50.36
Cherie
Well, okay, fine.

01:53.53
Cherie
Died 1617. Yeah, I would have guessed the 17s as well for some reason.

01:56.09
Cherie
I'm sorry. You know

01:57.81
Cherie
And I was never a history teacher. We're not talking.

02:01.01
Cherie
what? I feel like my whole knowledge of that portion of history is based on Outlander and that's set in the seventeen hundreds I'm pretty sure.

02:13.24
Cherie
Yeah, there was heaps out there, Andrew. Yeah, but they were...

02:17.08
Cherie
It was a little bit before that.

02:18.58
Cherie
Yeah, that's right.

02:19.64
Cherie
Yes, it was before that.

02:19.62
Cherie
Yeah, Outlander's a little bit further on. So welcome to Moose on the Loose, the podcast where paint with all the fucking colours of the wind. This is taking a long time to get here. i I'm loving the ChatGPT run sheet I've got here.

02:33.23
Cherie
I know I always go on about ChatGPT's run sheet, but this is how it says. Today's movie is Pocahontas, the 1995 Disney classic The Tortoise Nature, Colonialism and How to Paint with the Colours of the Wind.

02:47.80
Cherie
even though none of us can draw. i don't know what that means.

02:51.24
Cherie
I think a lot of us could draw, actually.

02:53.05
Cherie
I can draw, I can draw.

02:55.77
Cherie
draw all over the place. I'm the master of the draw.

02:58.05
Cherie
And then it says to give a movie summary, which of course I will do, but this is its summary. Pocahontas is a free-spirited girl who yeets herself off cliffs recreationally.

03:11.70
Cherie
Befriends a golden retriever energy soldier and tries to stop a war between cultures by dot, dot, dot, singing. She has the world's most dramatic spinning leaf wind machine.

03:24.43
Cherie
Grandmother Willow is the original therapist and Governor Ratcliffe is colonialism, but make it camp.

03:32.53
Cherie
All that stuff does happen, but just to fill in the gaps there, the, you know,

03:33.24
Cherie
It's true.

03:40.06
Cherie
English are coming to the New World to look for gold and they stop on the shores of America, run into Pocahontas and the other quote-unquote savages is what they call them in the movie.

03:54.27
Cherie
I'm not using the S word.

03:56.93
Cherie
You just used it a lot, but that's fine.

03:57.20
Cherie
id

04:00.22
Cherie
And then one of the guys on the ship, he's kind of not just there for the gold, he's there for the Adventure. So he goes wandering off, never helps anybody, goes wandering off, meets Pocahontas, thinks she's hot, decides that he's not racist, he'd totally do an Indian. But in saying that, I reckon all of them would have done an Indian but they wouldn't admit that.

04:24.76
Cherie
Yeah. Well, in real life, though, she was 14.

04:25.68
Cherie
Do you know

04:30.45
Cherie
They sanitized it.

04:30.91
Cherie
what mean?

04:32.15
Cherie
He was, like, older.

04:32.60
Cherie
similarly young?

04:33.59
Cherie
No, no, no.

04:33.72
Cherie
Was he?

04:34.81
Cherie
He was a lot older. I don't think there was ever actually ah a romantic, like, thing between them because she was just a kid that he met.

04:43.47
Cherie
Oh, so she just helped him find places and stuff. She wasn't doing anything.

04:47.51
Cherie
Yeah. Yeah. As far as I know.

04:50.26
Cherie
Okay, get this. When she met John Smith, her birth name was Matawaka.

05:02.55
Cherie
She was born around 1596 and she was about 10 or 11 years old when she first met John Smith.

05:07.96
Cherie
so in Wow.

05:10.42
Cherie
and disney the Disney movie incorrectly depicts her as being much older at the time of their meeting.

05:17.54
Cherie
How convenient for Disney.

05:19.67
Cherie
yeah Was John Smith actually called John Smith?

05:23.29
Cherie
Well, I mean... If he wasn't called John Smith, then they did not even spend five minutes choosing a name for him. They went, what's an English name?

05:34.97
Cherie
John Smith. Done.

05:36.09
Cherie
Okay, yeah, his name was John Rolfe, and they...

05:36.40
Cherie
No, no, no. That was the second. there So there was John Rolfe. There was John Smith. And John Rolfe was the one she later actually married.

05:46.84
Cherie
Oh, thank God, because I was like, wait a minute, his name was John Rolfe and they got married and he was 29 years old.

05:47.77
Cherie
Yeah.

05:54.07
Cherie
Yeah, no, no, that was later on. But they even actually, there's a Pocahontas 2 where John Rolfe comes into the story. They did make a movie about it.

06:03.47
Cherie
That's right, she goes back to England and meets him and then she gets sick and I don't think they show it in the second movie but she actually dies on her way back to America.

06:05.11
Cherie
Yeah. Yeah, that's

06:14.49
Cherie
sad.

06:14.94
Cherie
She gets ill and died. This podcast is meant to be funny. Who chose this one?

06:21.98
Cherie
Someone who...

06:21.98
Cherie
so okay, so we figured it out. So what happens is they're looking for the gold. The Indians like, get off. Am I allowed to say Indians?

06:29.29
Cherie
I don't know.

06:30.55
Cherie
The Native Americans are like, leave us alone if you're going to be so annoying, like you're shooting at us and stuff. And they're like, you're just hiding the gold from us. And they're like, we don't have any gold.

06:42.68
Cherie
We've got corn. Would you like some corn? They're like, we don't want corn. And then they have a little war. But Pocahontas and John get in the middle and say, look how much we love each other. If we can learn to love each other, you guys can also get over your differences.

06:57.42
Cherie
is the ma That's it?

06:58.06
Cherie
That kind sounds like the ending to The Lion King 2.

07:01.78
Cherie
And every other Disney movie ever.

07:03.32
Cherie
Oh, yeah. what though They should have taken the corn. They'd probably been on that boat for months. I reckon the scurvy was, like, rampant. Surely they should have just taken any vegetable that they could get.

07:16.90
Cherie
They're digging, looking for gold. Ironically, they just need fruit and it's growing all around them.

07:21.37
Cherie
yeah

07:22.30
Cherie
Their teeth are falling out and stuff. Well, is that they should have just been...

07:25.16
Cherie
That's ironic because that's like the whole premise of the movie actually when you think about it. They should like be treasuring the natural wonders that are around them rather than trying to exploit the land for gold.

07:39.77
Cherie
ah gosh, that is so philosophical. Did you hurt yourself then?

07:44.63
Cherie
I think I might have broken my own brain.

07:48.47
Cherie
You need a break now. Have a little break.

07:49.78
Cherie
yeah um need a map.

07:50.55
Cherie
you Yeah, I would have a nap after that.

07:53.24
Cherie
Or kickback.

07:53.79
Cherie
Okay, do you want to talk about who's a villain first or do you want to play game um what

07:58.55
Cherie
No, I don't want to do either. No, I'm just kidding. You choose.

08:09.23
Cherie
a game? Oh. Oh. I kind of want to play a game. And it's called What Our Mum Did But It Was Fine Because It Was The ninety s

08:18.90
Cherie
Now, I would just point out that our mum is our only listener, I'm pretty sure. She listens regularly, I know this. So is this a safe one?

08:28.87
Cherie
I reckon ChatGPT says playfully roast Michelle and I have no idea how it knows her name.

08:36.38
Cherie
ah It's concerning for like a lot of different reasons. Yeah.

08:45.37
Cherie
So i was talking to mum and, as usual, it led with her suggesting that our podcast is too vulgar and that it would be just as good without the swearing, if not better.

08:57.58
Cherie
like she's never heard us have a conversation before.

09:00.31
Cherie
It's like she's more proper than I ever realised she was.

09:00.73
Cherie
Why is she? but She's fake proper. she's just She just doesn't want to look like a bad parent. So she has to say, don't swear. She

09:13.86
Cherie
mean, no one's listening, Mum. No one's listening. Relax. Relax here.

09:16.34
Cherie
what she is our audience. We're not playing for the audience here, apparently. Yeah.

09:21.62
Cherie
Yeah, that's true. We're not targeting our audience. shit Well, we got onto this conversation where I was like, you know, Cherie broke every porcelain thing I ever had because i had all this collection.

09:33.76
Cherie
Why was she buying you porcelain things?

09:37.05
Cherie
I think she thought that I collected them, but she just makes that up sometimes. Like one day she was like, look, I got you these salt and pepper shakers. And I was like, cool, thanks. The next year for Christmas again, she's like, hey, I got you some more salt and pepper shakers. I'm like, how many do you think I can use?

09:52.98
Cherie
How much do you think I'm storing in these tiny little things? She goes, well, it's for your collection. I'm like, what collection? She's like, don't you collect salt and pepper shakers? I'm like, not that I know of.

10:06.25
Cherie
Okay, so she stopped getting you those. But as a kid, she thought that I, don't know if I must have a tea set or something, but she's getting all these things with porcelain and you were like a little baby and you kept getting them and breaking them. And mum's like, well,

10:16.63
Cherie
Well, I wasn't that little because I actually remember breaking them and i I know that I did it on purpose, but I don't know why I did it.

10:20.22
Cherie
you bitch.

10:24.14
Cherie
You bitch. Are you sure you didn't just drop it and go, oh,

10:26.97
Cherie
No, it was in your little dollhouse. They were like these little um white and blue figures. I don't know, but I remember vividly breaking them. And I probably remember it because you were so upset and I felt horrible because there was, don't remember,

10:42.81
Cherie
Oh, I mean, I'm not hanging on it to it or anything, but you did break my crystal ball, my piggy pank and my Charlie Chaplin doll, but it's fine. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. so

10:49.56
Cherie
Those ones don't count.

10:52.41
Cherie
Well, the Charlie Chaplin one, my theory is that would be worth a fortune. now I think that's how we got into the conversation. But ah I was saying, she goes, well, why didn't you put them away? And I was like, why you put them away? i was five. like Why didn't you put them away? Right. And then.

11:06.39
Cherie
where I was like, and, you know, she broke my my walking Barbie horse that I'd had for like a day. She's like, what do you mean?

11:12.73
Cherie
I remember that Barbie horse.

11:14.20
Cherie
Yeah, there was a, I only had it for a day.

11:14.45
Cherie
Did I break it? I did not. Don't lie.

11:17.48
Cherie
you wouldn't remember it. It was Christmas. It doesn't matter. It's fine. just I'm not.

11:21.56
Cherie
I remember because I remember it walked backwards. You like pushed it along and it would walk.

11:24.63
Cherie
Did it.

11:26.22
Cherie
Yeah.

11:27.99
Cherie
Well, it was like battery operated or whatever. It must cost her heaps. Anyway, you threw it out the windows.

11:33.85
Cherie
Oh, no. Yeah, I do remember that. Yeah, I did do that.

11:36.94
Cherie
Yeah, and then mum's like, oh, like, that's a shame. And I was like, it is a shame. You know what might have been worse than that horse falling out the window would be if one of the kids fell out the window because it was a two-storey window with no fly screen.

11:54.32
Cherie
Well, do you know what, actually? i think that I got my comeuppance and it was the day that Bradley and our cousin Christy threw the chickens off the balcony because they thought they could fly.

12:09.78
Cherie
And um I got the blame for killing the the chicken. Yeah.

12:13.50
Cherie
Oh, that's right, the chickens had to take the take the brunt of the revenge against you.

12:16.50
Cherie
Yeah.

12:20.57
Cherie
I was inside showing our uncle a picture of a bike that I had drawn and I was sent to my room. I had nothing to with it.

12:27.43
Cherie
Was he saying that's a good bike or something like, I don't give a shit about this but I'm being nice?

12:30.92
Cherie
Oh, yeah. No, i feel like he was um overwhelmingly positive. It was good feedback.

12:39.55
Cherie
What sort of bike was it? No, no, we're on a sidetrack. So...

12:41.43
Cherie
But and didn't he didn't stop and tell anyone that I wasn't outside when I got sent to my room for the chicken.

12:42.20
Cherie
ah

12:46.27
Cherie
I think he was like trying to keep Christy out of trouble. Yeah.

12:49.08
Cherie
ah oh yeah that does sound like something you do well we worked it all in the end we know you know what what happened we know what's what but mum was like mum said it was fine to not have a fly screen on that window because kids weren't dumb in the 90s like they are now and I was like I remember I was dumb it's actually a miracle I didn't fall out

12:50.96
Cherie
Yes.

13:09.99
Cherie
I was definitely dumb. Yeah. I'm still dumb.

13:15.87
Cherie
yeah I was like I think that's true like

13:16.11
Cherie
still out of the window.

13:18.69
Cherie
And then I was like, well, hang on a minute, we had a potbelly stove that I never touched, right, because it was hot. And then I'm trying to imagine the potbelly stove in my house and what my kids would do.

13:25.18
Cherie
Yeah.

13:29.16
Cherie
my God, they touched that thing so fast.

13:31.90
Cherie
It would be the first thing that they would touch. They would make a blue line for it.

13:34.60
Cherie
I'd be like, yeah, I'd be like, don't touch it. And then I hear it on their hands as their skin is scalding. Like, don't touch, not touch immediately. Fucking hell. So what does it say?

13:48.12
Cherie
It says, type back to Pocahontas, Michelle would 100% let you wander into a forest to talk to a tree spirit at Jess's house.

13:54.44
Cherie
Oh, no, she did do that, actually.

13:59.26
Cherie
Oh, yeah. No, yeah. you You used to go to Jess's house, but Brad and I used to just wander off into the Royal National Park.

14:07.06
Cherie
Oh, that's right. We lived in the National Park and we just wander off.

14:08.76
Cherie
was true She did not know how far we we were roaming.

14:13.75
Cherie
I mean, there were stick humpies back there and she told me that homeless people made them, so I don't know.

14:18.09
Cherie
You know what, we, so Brad and I used to walk to those because we thought they were some sort of ancient house built by Indigenous people or something and ah clearly it was a homeless commune. Yeah.

14:33.24
Cherie
Indigenous two-hour part of the National Park Shore.

14:36.73
Cherie
Yeah.

14:37.34
Cherie
well It says she would let us wander into the forest and talk to a tree spirit as long as you took your younger sister with you. Just fucking get out of my hair. I'm sorry for this shit.

14:46.46
Cherie
Fair enough to, to be honest.

14:48.54
Cherie
So we need to make a call on this. Is mum right? Is it fine because it was the 90s?

14:54.10
Cherie
Um, no, yeah.

14:58.42
Cherie
Got you, mum.

15:01.04
Cherie
Because you're not in your mind.

15:01.30
Cherie
I'm going to enjoy this segment every week.

15:06.60
Cherie
Well, I do. I'm very competent these days. my I don't need to. No, that's not true. I was going to say I i don't run to my mum to ask for help all the time, but that's not true.

15:11.48
Cherie
I was thinking really, really.

15:17.24
Cherie
I called her after I called you this morning. and

15:20.58
Cherie
There's no, yeah, there's no upsides to this. All right. Well, that's game number one. And then game number two is Moose Mary Avoid.

15:37.64
Cherie
Ahem. John Smith, Cocoa, that raccoon who steals everything.

15:48.88
Cherie
Aww. Well, you can't moose a raccoon, can you?

15:52.18
Cherie
No, Vicky, you could marry him. He seems

15:54.07
Cherie
Yeah. Do you know what? He is a sweetheart. I'll give him that. He does have, like, merry vibes for sure. Hmm.

16:04.06
Cherie
Or an animal. It's actually amazing how often ChatGPT tries to push me into admitting that I engage in bestiality.

16:11.70
Cherie
I think that ChatGPT has just seen the feedback on Disney animals. Like, have you seen Kovu from The Lion King?

16:20.18
Cherie
um my God, you and Kovu again. i reckon every single podcast you've said the word Kovu.

16:23.69
Cherie
I'm upset. Well, why did they make him so sexy?

16:29.46
Cherie
ah

16:30.39
Cherie
Why did they do that?

16:30.49
Cherie
don't know.

16:31.65
Cherie
Yeah.

16:31.80
Cherie
I don't know why they made Kobe so hot, Cherie. I don't know. I don't know.

16:35.96
Cherie
Oh, my goodness. Well, I need answers. And I think ChatGPT is just picking up on that vibe that Disney put out there into the universe.

16:40.55
Cherie
Yeah.

16:45.13
Cherie
I need to, what's his name? Miko.

16:48.92
Cherie
Yeah, his name was Miko.

16:50.87
Cherie
right, we've got three rounds of this to get through. So Coco Arms, Moose, John Smith is Mary. He seems like Take You on Adventures and I'll just avoid the wrecking because he'd steal all my stuff.

17:01.08
Cherie
Yeah, I think I'd have to agree with your assessment on that one.

17:03.83
Cherie
Not going to marry Cocoa Womb? He's not more reliable and take care of you and stuff?

17:08.63
Cherie
Um, he's definitely better looking, but I think you can sort of like stuck in one place for your life, you know?

17:12.31
Cherie
Oh, you're...

17:16.67
Cherie
Okay. Well, I mean, Pocahontas went one place and got sick from from disease.

17:17.66
Cherie
Yeah.

17:20.94
Cherie
Yeah, no, he's right. hesh He should never, he should leave. you should leave that place. right, round two. Governor Ratcliffe, Thomas, it says the boy who shot Cocoa Womb, then it says boo.

17:31.16
Cherie
yeah

17:31.74
Cherie
And grandmother Willow.

17:34.59
Cherie
Oh, Well...

17:36.53
Cherie
That's hard. That's really hard because I'd be avoiding both the governor and grandmother Willow.

17:42.49
Cherie
Well, But also, that old was the boy who Cocoa?

17:44.57
Cherie
I think he was in his 20s or 19 or something.

17:51.73
Cherie
Oh, so the young man.

17:54.13
Cherie
Yeah, sure.

17:54.33
Cherie
was confused for a moment.

17:56.34
Cherie
Again with this stuff, ChatGPT. Stop trying to make us interested in children and animals.

17:59.19
Cherie
Yeah.

18:01.75
Cherie
Yeah, yeah.

18:02.53
Cherie
Oh, my God. Yeah. um Yeah, no I just, I'm opting out.

18:07.53
Cherie
Right, you moose Thomas.

18:09.33
Cherie
I'm i'm opting out of this episode.

18:10.87
Cherie
No, you moose Thomas and then you marry the governor so you can live in comfort, but don't go near him.

18:15.75
Cherie
Oh, but he's gross.

18:17.41
Cherie
He's gross, but don't go near him. Don't go near him. Just...

18:20.01
Cherie
He's got that weird dog as well.

18:23.00
Cherie
Well, interestingly, round three, Nokoma, which is her best mate, Pocahontas' best mate, Percy the pug or Miko again because he deserves a second chance. LAUGHTER

18:32.21
Cherie
Well, think I would have to marry Napoma. She's lovely. And I guess I'm going to moose the raccoon and avoid the pug.

18:47.65
Cherie
Ah, I made you say you've got moose and animal.

18:52.24
Cherie
Well, it had to happen at some point.

18:56.86
Cherie
Yeah, it forces you into it. You don't think you can get forced into that, but you can really easily. It doesn't take long at all.

19:02.17
Cherie
It doesn't, like, just the slight suggestion and it's like, yes, okay, fine.

19:02.36
Cherie
a

19:06.86
Cherie
I would. what

19:08.73
Cherie
I know, right? You don't even see that bolly bite now that you've done it. feel like it was more comfortable than I thought it was going to be. All right, well, um two mooses and a lie. I've got them. Did you also get some?

19:21.35
Cherie
I did not.

19:23.38
Cherie
So I've got them, but and there's two sets of them, and ChatGPT thinks it's funny, so let's just see what happens.

19:32.09
Cherie
Okay. Hmm.

19:32.95
Cherie
ah Okay. Okay.

19:40.92
Cherie
Okay, again, I've got the answer in a different place, so it's tricky. All right, one, the original script had Pocahontas at age 14. Two, Governor Ratcliffe is based on a real historical figure.

19:56.18
Cherie
Three, Miko was meant to be a talking raccoon with a Brooklyn accent.

20:01.75
Cherie
Oh my god, that would be terrible. I don't think that's true. i think the truth must be the that they originally had her at 14. Okay. then

20:12.06
Cherie
Okay, so this is where ChatGPT thinks it's funny. There's no lie. The lie was that there was a lie. See

20:28.91
Cherie
what I mean? What an arsehole.

20:32.25
Cherie
That's not in the spirit of the game.

20:33.85
Cherie
No, it's not.

20:34.43
Cherie
Oh,

20:36.57
Cherie
Tricky, tricky, tricky, tricky.

20:38.78
Cherie
God.

20:39.45
Cherie
Okay, thank you, ChatGVT. Very clever, very clever. Set two. Okay, Pocahontas' necklace was inspired by a real Pow Hutton artefact.

20:51.29
Cherie
Two, Cocoa Wom originally had a full solo song. Three, John Smith originally died at the end.

20:59.56
Cherie
I'm going to say that the truth is about her necklace.

21:05.09
Cherie
You picked a lie, bitch, not the truth.

21:08.08
Cherie
Oh, my bad.

21:10.97
Cherie
Wait till mum gets on to that sentence that I just said.

21:14.79
Cherie
She's going to ground you.

21:16.95
Cherie
Oh, God. Oh, my God. Can you imagine being grounded? oh Oh, what I wouldn't dream of being spat at and what is it?

21:20.54
Cherie
Maybe we should just throw it to Mum's plan. LAUGHTER

21:25.54
Cherie
What would have dreamed of being spat at and punched in the face.

21:29.38
Cherie
nosate

21:29.51
Cherie
or

21:30.65
Cherie
mo

21:34.47
Cherie
Sorry, I'd love to be grounded. Sorry, continue. What was the lie?

21:39.22
Cherie
No, read them out again before I'm forgotten.

21:40.98
Cherie
Yep, Pocahontas' necklace was inspired by a real Poe Hatton artefact. Cocoaum originally had a full solo song. John Smith originally died at the end.

21:51.67
Cherie
yeah I don't think he would have died at the end. Too sad for a kids movie.

21:59.27
Cherie
No!

22:00.97
Cherie
Bad moose.

22:02.42
Cherie
Bad moose.

22:04.43
Cherie
Bad moose.

22:04.60
Cherie
Poor

22:04.89
Cherie
All right, so Cocoaum never had a full solo song.

22:09.10
Cherie
Cocoa. Oh. on

22:10.78
Cherie
always being overlooked. John, which means he originally did die at the end. Yeah, an early draft killed him off.

22:19.38
Cherie
So you're telling me there could in some universe have been a version of Pocahontas where the raccoon talks with a Brooklyn accent and then John Smith dies.

22:31.19
Cherie
This is why we do amendments to scripts.

22:34.47
Cherie
think they would have at least had him voiced by Billy Joel.

22:39.35
Cherie
would have been

22:39.54
Cherie
I think that might be Below Billy Joel's pay

22:44.09
Cherie
No, I feel like he voiced something in something.

22:46.49
Cherie
price point.

22:46.89
Cherie
Maybe Oliver and Company or something. I feel like he did the music for that, actually, I think.

22:49.35
Cherie
Really?

22:52.98
Cherie
you

22:52.96
Cherie
can imagine doing music for something. I don't know about doing the a voiceover.

22:56.34
Cherie
Yeah. i know I'm going look into that because I feel like he might have, but i could also be making it up.

23:01.62
Cherie
okay, okay. Well, we've played so many games I've run out of sounds. I feel like I'm just going recycle. this Oh, no, no, no, it's Am I the Moose Hole. That's got its own sound. Yeah.

23:29.18
Cherie
Ridiculous.

23:29.93
Cherie
It's still good. It's still so good. Okay. Okay.

23:32.50
Cherie
and

23:34.21
Cherie
Okay, am I the asshole for switching to regular milk to prove my lactose intolerant roommate keeps stealing from me?

23:46.07
Cherie
Well, I mean, if you're going to steal someone's milk, like...

23:51.64
Cherie
you can

23:51.80
Cherie
Most of us have been in a predicament where we find our household members stealing or using using items without permission. To stop this from occurring, we typically confront the suspected thieves to stop them from stealing again.

24:04.17
Cherie
But this person, which is you slash got milk, took things to another level to find out if their suspicions were true. Living with two roommates, the original poster set up the story by explaining how they split living expenses together except for groceries.

24:19.59
Cherie
However, one roommate referred to as R, for runny poops I'm assuming, yeah had been using the original poster's almond milk. Since is lactose intolerant, the original poster made an effort to catch their roommate by putting regular dairy milk in an empty almond milk container. The plan was a success as R used the milk and experienced digestive problems the next day, upsetting the roommate.

24:44.75
Cherie
With over 1,000 responses, Reddit users mostly agreed that the original poster is not the arsehole.

24:52.34
Cherie
Yeah, I mean, you just can't steal somebody's milk.

24:58.46
Cherie
This one says, but a couple of users criticised the original poster for going too far by causing the roommate to have digestive issues.

25:06.76
Cherie
Look, if I know lactose intolerant people, and I do, he would have had the best time of his life drinking that milk. He would have like, boy yeah. Oh, yeah.

25:19.61
Cherie
This actually tastes good. Oh, my God.

25:22.36
Cherie
They love milk.

25:22.33
Cherie
And also... You just can't convince me that there's a lactose intolerant person out there who's not just eating dairy all the time anyway.

25:29.75
Cherie
Literally, TJ drank all of the milk. Like, he is very lactose intolerant. And during the night, he drank all of the milk.

25:39.13
Cherie
Oh, he's got none of the enzymes but all of the milk.

25:42.33
Cherie
Yeah, it's a problem. And they all do it.

25:46.05
Cherie
It's too delicious.

25:47.26
Cherie
It is delicious.

25:50.22
Cherie
Okay, I think we're both on. you know hard it was to find an M.I. the arsehole that's not terribly depressing or abusive in some way? Why is this a thing? People just go on online writing, oh, I just abused someone really terribly. Everybody agree with me now, please. Oh, my God, this is not a good sign.

26:05.85
Cherie
They lack self-awareness.

26:08.50
Cherie
and so do a lot of other people.

26:09.40
Cherie
They genuinely think they're in the right.

26:11.80
Cherie
Yeah, right. Okay, well, good. um It does say,

26:19.73
Cherie
Random stupid questions round. Are we into that?

26:23.61
Cherie
Random stupid questions. Yeah, I'm into it.

26:26.87
Cherie
Okay, why does no one in this movie eat at all? Now, the raccoon eats all the time and the dog eats.

26:33.46
Cherie
Oh.

26:36.45
Cherie
Like, it's all he does is eat. You're right.

26:39.38
Cherie
I mean, the people don't eat much, but I suppose we just don't see them when they're eating. It's like we don't see anyone taking a shit in a movie ever.

26:46.49
Cherie
So the verdict is, dumb question. Next one.

26:49.14
Cherie
Yeah, also, speaking of, like, taking a shit in movies, you know it's like someone's lost in the wilderness so it's just the camera on them at all times for 72 hours?

26:49.53
Cherie
but

26:57.50
Cherie
Yeah.

26:58.46
Cherie
They never they never peed. and They never pooped. What's that about?

27:03.96
Cherie
They just put a cork in it.

27:05.88
Cherie
Yeah, I'm suspicious.

27:06.90
Cherie
but

27:07.84
Cherie
Just doesn't make good movie making.

27:08.38
Cherie
but

27:09.76
Cherie
Why do Disney leaves always smell... Wait, Disney leaves? What's a Disney leaf?

27:16.16
Cherie
Does it mean like just leaves that have been put into a Disney movie?

27:20.50
Cherie
Oh, yeah. Okay, why do Disney leaves always swirl dramatically during emotional epiphanies?

27:22.05
Cherie
Well,

27:26.30
Cherie
you can't have an emotional epiphany unless it's windy. That's a well-known fact.

27:33.38
Cherie
I don't know if I ever have emotional epiphanies except about the wind where I go, fuck, I hate wind. I'm so i fucking sick of the wind.

27:39.67
Cherie
Oh, yeah. Every type of wind.

27:42.94
Cherie
And then I say this, rain's better than wind. I'd rather have rain.

27:47.96
Cherie
Yeah, no, do you know what? I agree with you on that.

27:50.74
Cherie
I say it every time.

27:50.84
Cherie
And I'll say that.

27:51.74
Cherie
I'm an old man. I'm a 70-year-old man.

27:53.83
Cherie
You're not an old lady. You're not an old lady. You're an old man. Well,

27:57.18
Cherie
I'm a 70-year-old man who's grumpy about it.

28:02.62
Cherie
yeah, it just, it gets in your, your hair gets in your face. It gets in your mouth. It's uncomfortable. It blows things at you. and then there's the other type of wind that hurts your belly.

28:14.90
Cherie
There's good wind

28:16.01
Cherie
Yeah. Yeah. my I was saying to you before.

28:19.67
Cherie
Greens

28:20.79
Cherie
My dog farted in my general direction and I was like, God damn it, I don't care how sore your tummy is, you hold it in. you You're disgusting. You disgust me. And then I patted him because he's heaps cute.

28:33.53
Cherie
All right. We're going to work out who who's the villain. Is it capitalism, as it turns out? Is it that kind of gay, chunky leader that they have?

28:45.13
Cherie
Ratcliffe.

28:46.16
Cherie
Ratcliffe, yeah. Is it her father who won't... just be reasonable and let them dig up the land. okay

28:55.86
Cherie
Just be reasonable and let us plunge your resources. Plunge?

28:59.32
Cherie
ah They didn't want it.

29:00.30
Cherie
Plunder? I said plunge. I said plunge. Plunder.

29:05.96
Cherie
It's not like they were digging up the cornfield, was it?

29:09.34
Cherie
Well, they have respect for more than just the cornfield.

29:13.56
Cherie
Oh, that's right, because they're plundering the land, growing all their corn.

29:13.94
Cherie
They will have a deep connection with nature.

29:18.04
Cherie
That's right. They have spirits in the rock and tree and creatures.

29:23.19
Cherie
Yeah, those are lyrics. That's right.

29:24.50
Cherie
They have a life and a spirit and a name.

29:28.54
Cherie
That's exactly right. You know, Disney should have put that in the movie somewhere.

29:31.96
Cherie
ah Okay, Radcliffe's wrong. Is he actually the villain or is he just acting on orders from the Queen? It's all progressive and everything or the King probably back then. It's all...

29:45.59
Cherie
He is a byproduct of the time that he lived in, but he didn't have to take so much joy in it. Yeah.

29:54.05
Cherie
He did say if you see a savage, shoot them on sight. And I don't know he had good evidence that the savages were actually savages, that the Native American Indians were trying to do anything.

30:00.95
Cherie
He has no virginity.

30:06.44
Cherie
just seeing savages over and over.

30:08.77
Cherie
You're just saying it again and again and again. You're calling them savages and Indians.

30:14.58
Cherie
I don't mean to. That's what they call him in the movie. He said, if you see a savage, shoot them on sight. It's not me. It's Radcliffe. Matt's going to be listening to this going, dig up, stupid.

30:26.02
Cherie
course.

30:32.82
Cherie
I think we just have to like blanket yes Ratcliffe is the villain because if we don't choose him now it's going to come across as very bad

30:43.82
Cherie
Okay, well, are there other villains? What about John Smith? Is he a villain for not doing the job they paid him to do?

30:50.90
Cherie
no i don't think that you should plunder the natural resources of a new world just because someone tells you to and gives you money

31:01.14
Cherie
and Pogonis was old enough so we can't get him on that. um

31:05.11
Cherie
yes not this time

31:06.74
Cherie
What about Cocoa?

31:11.19
Cherie
what about co no Cocoaum's fine he's did he?

31:13.81
Cherie
he just march off and start shooting arrows at him and stuff?

31:17.77
Cherie
I don't remember i feel like I haven't seen it in a very very long time but I thought Cocoaum was like a good guy

31:18.87
Cherie
Oh, did

31:28.65
Cherie
Doesn't the best friend marry him?

31:28.97
Cherie
he?

31:32.22
Cherie
Does she?

31:33.34
Cherie
I think so.

31:34.88
Cherie
runs off with the chick, yeah.

31:37.27
Cherie
Yeah. Well, they run off, but they they end up together and he's like a good guy.

31:38.84
Cherie
um

31:42.94
Cherie
Yes, she... She always liked him. She was always like, why can't you just appreciate Coco on me? She's like, he's really controlling. I'd be in a domestic violence violence relationship. I want to go with that white guy who's going to take me to the disease place. There's just no good options for this chick.

31:58.65
Cherie
Okay, so I can't get Coco on. I think the villain is just just the villain. It's Ratcliffe and Racism.

32:06.81
Cherie
hide yeah the real The real villain here is racism.

32:12.98
Cherie
the it's the It's the times that they lived in that was the villain.

32:18.84
Cherie
Yes.

32:20.54
Cherie
You don't know how to make this not worse.

32:20.68
Cherie
Do you

32:22.82
Cherie
You're there like going, it's bad, it's bad, it's bad.

32:25.56
Cherie
know

32:25.59
Cherie
It's

32:26.54
Cherie
I'm thinking um how many of the things that we say and do will just be like accepted by future generations as okay because we're a product of the time that we live in yeah in like 50 years people might come across this on the internet somewhere and they'll be like oh bless them it was a long time ago they didn't mean it

32:38.36
Cherie
bad.

32:41.23
Cherie
Oh yeah, we're banking on that, hey.

32:55.86
Cherie
Well, I did ask, ah do you have any final thoughts? Sorry, before I...

33:01.14
Cherie
jesus am I going to die oh my god so

33:04.68
Cherie
Like for the birth of me sign up, do you have any final thoughts?

33:08.12
Cherie
but Any last words?

33:11.19
Cherie
No, I'm not going to kill you or anything.

33:13.56
Cherie
ah okay Saying that just definitely sounds like you you are going to, but that's fine.

33:19.59
Cherie
If you're not going to do it, you think you wouldn't have to say it. The fact that you're saying it makes me suspicious, yeah.

33:26.71
Cherie
um My final thought, the deal on his rat cliff, chat GPT is hilarious.

33:27.63
Cherie
I need to tell you.

33:32.05
Cherie
That run sheet gave me a good laugh. And that's about it.

33:36.34
Cherie
i Okay, I agree. And it says, my sign up. Holy yo, you're not on this podcast, mate.

33:41.50
Cherie
Now he is.

33:41.50
Cherie
This isn't it

33:43.38
Cherie
He's like,

33:45.05
Cherie
It says that my sign-off should be, if your mum did it in the 90s, it's probably illegal now. Bye.

33:51.14
Cherie
yes, I am.

33:56.51
Cherie
Which works for me. did is Have you got anything else? You're all good?

34:00.55
Cherie
No, I'm happy to leave it on that note.

34:02.42
Cherie
Yeah, we've said savages enough and for one podcast.

34:04.50
Cherie
yeah

34:05.26
Cherie
And I'll see you next week. Bye.

34:09.57
Cherie
Bye, savages.

34:22.77
Cherie
Bye.